Maintain your system!

[DMan]

First post in this forum!

Best advice I can give, based on my experience, is make sure you maintain your water/alky injection system. Check for leaks, crud buildup, etc..and most important, keep an eye on your pump. If it fails, and you're running high boost and timing, you'll be replacing head gaskets shortly, or worse.

I blew my head gaskets this year due to a faulty pump.

[pbonsalb]

I am hesitant still to tune to the limits using water injection. I use it to push the envelope just slightly, and listen carefully for ping. I have experienced clogging with my Aquamist nozzles using washer fluid. Despite the 100 psi pressure, they can clog substantially. I have soaked them in vinegar before.

Philip Bradley

[DMan]

To date I haven't had too many issues with Aquamist clogging, but you certainly shouldn't neglect them. As for tuning to the limit, thats what this stuff is for baby! 28-30 psi boost in my Grand National! The car is just a different animal at that level. 15 psi doesn't even feel like you're awake.
I do take precautions though..I'm constantly monitoring EGT and Knock and Spark Retard.

[MapMaker50]

There are a few points most forums forget to mention, Aquamist has produced a range of cost effective solution of monitoring a blocked jet.

The flow sensor has switched output to drive a relay to lower boost or even cutting ignition if needed.

Apart from System1s and 2c, other systems have in-built water jet monitoring circuitry.

[JScoob]

I am hesitant still to tune to the limits using water injection. I use it to push the envelope just slightly, and listen carefully for ping. I have experienced clogging with my Aquamist nozzles using washer fluid. Despite the 100 psi pressure, they can clog substantially. I have soaked them in vinegar before.

Philip Bradley

Was the clogging due to buildup or do you think some large particulate got by the filter? I wonder if as a preventative measure its worth removing the nozzles every 2 oil changes and soaking them in vinegar or equivalent.

What other aquamist components are likely to fail other than the pump? HSV? pressure switches? I don't know about you, but I put a cheapo mechanical water gauge in my cabin to watch the water pressure upto the HSV. If the pump craps out, my accumulator will be able provide temporary flow, but I will notice my pressure not re-charging and know something is amiss before any real damage can occur. Plus its fun to watch when WI engages.

[pbonsalb]

I do not know what was responsible for the blockage, but it has happened regularly. You cannot get all the way into the nozzles. I took them apart but found nothing big. I do have the filter in place. I suspect it was some sort of scaling. I use only blue washer fluid. The vinegar helped.

I just ordered an FiA2, which should help me monitor the flow and can trigger a boost reduction. I have a knock sensor monitor installed as well, so I can see if the engine is pinging.

Philip Bradley

[Forum Admin]

Note that while many have used the washer fluid in many setups successfully for long periods - Aquamist does not recommend it.

Especially with the smaller jets it is possible for the heat to cake the detergent as it evaporates off the water and methanol.

Washer fluid can increase the amount of maintenance needed to keep the jets flowing properly.

[JScoob]

I didn't realize Aquamist doesn't recommend washer fluid. Its a matter of convenience for me, since my car is daily driven and used for long road trips. I wonder if there is a mixture I can use to safely inject that will at the same time dissolve the detergent build up...

[Forum Admin]

To my knowledge ERL does not say one way or the other regarding washer fluid. They don't say not to use it or to use it. That is what I mean by they don't recommend using it - if that makes sense.

Some have used it for long terms with no ill effects, others have experienced clogging at unusual frequencies. Personally I have used straight water and water/methanol mixes with no detergent with no ill effects. I not only realize but fully appreciate that straight water in a windshield resevior is useless for cleaning the windshield it just smears everything. I still cannot recommend wash fluid but if it is used I would recommend diluting it with distilled water and methanol. Just make sure you don't exceed 50% methanol.

[willwren]

I think I'd rather have a filter clog up than a nozzle. Has anyone looked into particulate filters to be placed inline? What is the orifice size in the typical nozzle? If you have a good filter that will trap that size or larger, you should protect your system alot more.

[Warren_from_PINZ]

First post in this forum!

I blew my head gaskets this year due to a faulty pump.

What kind of pump was it?
Warren

[Warren_from_PINZ]

I think I'd rather have a filter clog up than a nozzle. Has anyone looked into particulate filters to be placed inline? What is the orifice size in the typical nozzle? If you have a good filter that will trap that size or larger, you should protect your system alot more.

PINZ sells in line filters if you're interested and all PINZ systems have one at the pump and another right inside the nozzle.
Warren

[Sato]

Note that while many have used the washer fluid in many setups successfully for long periods - Aquamist does not recommend it.

Especially with the smaller jets it is possible for the heat to cake the detergent as it evaporates off the water and methanol.

Washer fluid can increase the amount of maintenance needed to keep the jets flowing properly.



I use distilled water for 99 cents a gallon at the drug store and never had problems.

[DuMaurier 7]

I posted this in the "Gasoline forced induction" section ( never really checked out this section!!) , under the heading Additional Safety.
I had a bad experience where I had a system failure when my pumps' suction strainer became clogged causing it (the pump) to loose suction unknown to me. I went ahead and boosted the turbo and ...BOOM !!! .I have since taken a few steps to avoid any reaccurance of this :
1 . I implimented a low pressure shutdown that will shut down my boost controller and illuminate a warning light if the line pressure goes low , I use a 150psi ShurFlo pump , so this shouldn't happen !. The line pressure is monitored by a 2-10 bar pressure switch ,which in turn switches a relay connected to my boost controllers power supply. When switched off boost will revert to the wastegates 3,5psi setting .
2 . I installed a pair of the DDS2 sensors / displays to monitor the flow on each stage (I have a two stage set up) this will effectively deal with clogged jets , loose hoses , failed HSV's etc. during fault conditions one DDS will disconnect the power to my boost controllers solenoid valve via a separate relay and the other will vent the air signal that goes to the top of the wastegates giaphragm, this is also achieved through a relay and a n/c vent solenoid vent valve . Both actions will have the same result as in #1 above.
3 . I am presently considering installing a "LOW LOW" water pressure "trip" ,it would be set lower than the one previously mentioned which just shuts down the boost controller , this would essentially indicate a failed pump . This would be done by installing a n/c relay on the +12V supply to my LEADING COILS (rotary engine) , once the pressure switch activates it will open the relay and shutdown power to the coils killing the spark and stalling the motor , it may be a bit abrupt , but it'll get the job done.!!
Feel free to suggest anything that comes to mind , as I do not want to be rebuilding my motor anytime in the near future. :idea: :!:

[Richard L]

I cannot agree more on safety first.

[dsmtuned]

I just wanted to remind people to check out your system periodically!!

I have recently been having increased knock counts and was wondering what was going on. So today I went to clean my nozzles out and make sure everything was working properly.

It turns out that my nozzles weren't clogged, but that I had a couple leaks where the 4mm line meets the check valves.

It seems like the 4mm line degenerates over time (hardens) and needs to be replaced, expecially where it meets the barbs of the nozzles or the check valves. Have others found this as well?


Maintain, maintain, maintain!

-Craig :wink:

[Supernaut]

BUMP as I'm running in to problems with what I think is a problem with my nozzle. I'm soaking in isopropyl alcohol instead of vinegar. Tomorrow, if the alcohol doesn't work, I'll try the vinegar to see if it is the best cleaner availible.

Does the 7mm nozzle have to be disassembled at all during cleaning?

[Supernaut]

Isopropyl alcohol did not fix the problem. I'm going to try vinegar.

There is also a really strong form of acetic acid called glacial vinegar. Anyone ever try it?

[Supernaut]

I used vinegar and had better success. My glacial acetic acid is coming in tomorrow. I should be able to post up results over the weekend.

[Supernaut]

Ok I finally solved my problem. I soaked my old nozzle in glacial acetic acid and it definitely helped but it did not fix the problem 100%. I just bought a new nozzle from howerton.

I'll post a thread on my results.

[jueshen]

when cleaning i always open up the nozzles with a spanner, use a precision screw driver to take out the brass piece, soak them all loose in meth, then assemble them again.

running the same nozzles for 6+ years now, and they still mist like new!