hfs-6 on alfa 147 jtd
how i can connect the yellow cable to the ecu?
i don't know what pin i must connect i'm sorry for my english.... do you have an intalian insctuction? |
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Sorry for ther late reply.
The HFS-6 is nor t configured for diesel engine. I can help you if I can get some informayion of the Electronic Fuel Control unit. Can I ask who sold this system to you? Richard |
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I will give you in a few day the layout of edc15c7 Ihope you can help me. |
Thanks for supplier's information.
The HFS-6 can be configured to read common rail diesel injection signal. I just need to know the ECU's pinout so that I can draw a specific diagram for your car. Richard |
Centralina di iniezione Common Rail EDC-15C7
E' montata nell'abitacolo sul fianchetto lato passeggero. La centralina ? del tipo "flash e.p.r.o.m." cio? riprogrammabile dall'esterno senza intervenire sull'hardware. La centralina di iniezione ha integrato il sensore pressione assoluta. Pin-out 1, Massa 2, Massa 3, Massa 4, Alimentazione attuatori 5, Alimentazione iniettori/ECU 6, Non collegato 7, Non collegato 8, Non collegato 9, Non collegato 10, Non collegato 11, Immobilizer 12, Non collegato 13, Teleruttore principale 14, Spia candelette 15, Attuatore elettrovalvola farfalla per controllo allo spegnimento 16, Attuatore E.G.R. 17, Attuatore elettrovalvola VGT 18, Teleruttore condizionatore 19, Richiesta inserimento elettroventole 2? velocit? 20, Richiesta inserimento elettroventole 1? velocit? 21, Spia ChecK Engine 22, Attivazione candelette 23, Non collegato 24, Teleruttore elettropompa combustibile 25, Non collegato 26, Non collegato 27, Non collegato 28, Non collegato 29, Non collegato 30, Non collegato 31, Non collegato 32, Non collegato 33, Non collegato 34, Non collegato 35, Non collegato 36, Non collegato 37, Non collegato 38, Non collegato 39, Non collegato 40, Non collegato 41, Non collegato 42, Non collegato 43, Non collegato 44, Non collegato 45, Non collegato 46, Non collegato 47, Segnale giri per quadro 48, Linea K 49, Segnale velocit? vettura 50, Non collegato 51, Quadrinary on 52, Trinary on 53, Non collegato 54, Non collegato 55, Non collegato 56, Non collegato 57, Non collegato 58, Key sense 59, Segnale interruttore freno 60, Richiesta inserimento condizionatore eLearn - Contents Page 1 of 2 file://C:\eLearn\Web\tempcontent4.html 03/07/2009 61, Interruttore pedale frizione 62, Diagnosi candellette 63, Non collegato 64, Non collegato 65, Non collegato 66, Non collegato 67, Non collegato 68, Non collegato 69, Non collegato 70, Non collegato 71, Non collegato 72, Non collegato 73, Non collegato 74, Non collegato 75, Non collegato 76, Massa pedale acceleratore 1 77, Segnale pedale acceleratore 1 78, Alimentazione pedale acceleratore 1 79, Massa pedale acceleratore 2 80, Segnale pedale acceleratore 2 81, Alimentazione pedale acceleratore 2 82, Sensore temperatura combustibile - pin 1 83, Sensore temperatura combustibile - pin 2 84, Sensore temperatura acqua - pin 1 85, Sensore temperatura acqua - pin 2 86, Misuratore portata aria - pin 1 87, Non collegato 88, Misuratore portata aria - pin 3 89, Misuratore portata aria - pin 5 90, Sensore pressione combustibile - pin 3 91, Sensore pressione combustibile - pin 2 92, Sensore pressione combustibile - pin 1 93, Sensore pressione di sovralimentazione - pin 1 94, Sensore pressione di sovralimentazione - pin 3 95, Sensore pressione di sovralimentazione - pin 2 96, Non collegato 97, Misuratore portata aria - pin 4 98, Non collegato 99, Sensore di giri - pin 1 100, Sensore di giri - pin 2 101, Sensore di giri - pin 3 102, Sensore di fase alimentazione 103, Sensore di fase - pin 1 104, Sensore di fase - pin 2 105, Non collegato 106, Non collegato 107, Non collegato 108, Regolatore pressione gasolio 109, Regolatore pressione gasolio 110, Spia temperatura acqua 111, Teleruttore filtro gasolio 112, Non collegato 113, Non collegato 114, Comando iniettore cilindro 4 115, Comando iniettore cilindro 5 (solo per 5 cilindri collegato) 116, Non collegato 117, Comune iniettori cilindri 1-2 118, Comune iniettori cilindri 3-4-5 119, Comando iniettore cilindro 1 120, Comando iniettore cilindro 2 121, Comando iniettore cilindro 3 eLearn - Contents Page 2 of 2 file://C:\eLearn\Web\tempcontent4.html 03/07/2009 |
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This is great information. I can now move forward. Can you please pm me you address so that I can sedn you the re-configured contyroller to work with your car.
As I do not read Italian, can you please tell me the pin numbers for 1. Fuel injector + (114-121?) 2. Fuel injector - (114-121?) 3. +12V supply (constant) 4. Ign SW (switched) 5. Ground (0v) 6. Common rail pressure sensor |
Rapidello sono qui
Richard I'm here I'll try to post translation in email first and then to forum :) People of UK get prepared: next week I'll know if I'll be in UK for Brighton Speed Trials ehehehehe I'll bring my fiat punto overboosted :twisted: (even not :lol: ) |
Ok Let's Start
- Italian - English - Centralina di iniezione Common Rail EDC-15C7 - ECU for Common Rail EDC 15C7 - E' montata nell'abitacolo sul fianchetto lato passeggero. - Sited on the UK Driver side. - La centralina ? del tipo "flash e.p.r.o.m." cio? riprogrammabile dall'esterno senza intervenire sull'hardware. - Flash Eprom with external reprogramming without hardwares - La centralina di iniezione ha integrato il sensore pressione assoluta. - Injection EC has an absolute pressure sensor (we might need another boost - chip) Pin-out 1, Massa 2, Massa 3, Massa 1 - 2 - 3 Ground 4, Alimentazione attuatori Actuators Signal POS 5, Alimentazione iniettori/ECU Injector Signal POS 6, Non collegato 7, Non collegato 8, Non collegato 9, Non collegato 10, Non collegato Not Used 11, Immobilizer Guess what :roll: 12, Non collegato Not Used 13, Teleruttore principale Main Ignition Switch 14, Spia candelette Battery Lamp Candle Power led (?) 15, Attuatore elettrovalvola farfalla per controllo allo spegnimento Actuators Electrovalve Control Switching Off. 16, Attuatore E.G.R. E.G.R. Actuator 17, Attuatore elettrovalvola VGT VGT Electrovalve Actuator (domanda x rapidello cos'? il VGT?) 18, Teleruttore condizionatore Incar air conditioning switcher 19, Richiesta inserimento elettroventole 2? velocit? Incar air conditioning Speed 2 20, Richiesta inserimento elettroventole 1? velocit? Incar air conditioning Speed 1 21, Spia ChecK Engine Check Engine Lamp 22, Attivazione candelette Candle Power Activation 23, Non collegato Not Used 24, Teleruttore elettropompa combustibile Diesel Electropump Switcher 25, Non collegato 26, Non collegato 27, Non collegato 28, Non collegato 29, Non collegato 30, Non collegato 31, Non collegato 32, Non collegato 33, Non collegato 34, Non collegato 35, Non collegato 36, Non collegato 37, Non collegato 38, Non collegato 39, Non collegato 40, Non collegato 41, Non collegato 42, Non collegato 43, Non collegato 44, Non collegato 45, Non collegato 46, Non collegato Not Used 47, Segnale giri per quadro Rpm Signal for RPM Clock (behind the Steering) 48, Linea K K Line (?) 49, Segnale velocit? vettura Speed Car Signal 50, Non collegato Not Used 51, Quadrinary on 52, Trinary on 53, Non collegato 54, Non collegato 55, Non collegato 56, Non collegato 57, Non collegato Not Used 58, Key sense Key Sense (?) 59, Segnale interruttore freno HandBrake Signal 60, Richiesta inserimento condizionatore Incar Airconditioning Auto eLearn - Contents Page 1 of 2 file://C:\eLearn\Web\tempcontent4.html 03/07/2009 61, Interruttore pedale frizione Clutch Switcher 62, Diagnosi candelette Candle Power Diagnostic 63, Non collegato 64, Non collegato 65, Non collegato 66, Non collegato 67, Non collegato 68, Non collegato 69, Non collegato 70, Non collegato 71, Non collegato 72, Non collegato 73, Non collegato 74, Non collegato 75, Non collegato Not Used 76, Massa pedale acceleratore 1 Ground 1 for Accelerator Pedal 77, Segnale pedale acceleratore 1 Signal 1 for Acceleretor Pedal 78, Alimentazione pedale acceleratore 1 Power Supply for Accelerator 1 79, Massa pedale acceleratore 2 Ground 2 for Accelerator Pedal 80, Segnale pedale acceleratore 2 Signal 2 for Accelerator Pedal 81, Alimentazione pedale acceleratore 2 Power Supply 2 for Accelerator Pedal 82, Sensore temperatura combustibile - pin 1 Diesel Temperature Sensor - pin 1 83, Sensore temperatura combustibile - pin 2 Diesel Temperature Sensor - pin 2 84, Sensore temperatura acqua - pin 1 Water Temperature Sensor - pin 1 85, Sensore temperatura acqua - pin 2 Water Temperature Sensor - pin 2 86, Misuratore portata aria - pin 1 Air Mass Counter - pin 1 87, Non collegato Not Used 88, Misuratore portata aria - pin 3 89, Misuratore portata aria - pin 5 Air Flow Counter - pin 3 - pin 5 90, Sensore pressione combustibile - pin 3 91, Sensore pressione combustibile - pin 2 92, Sensore pressione combustibile - pin 1 Diesel Pressure Sensor - pin 3 - pin 2 - pin 1 93, Sensore pressione di sovralimentazione - pin 1 94, Sensore pressione di sovralimentazione - pin 3 95, Sensore pressione di sovralimentazione - pin 2 Boost Pressure Sensor - pin 1 - pin 2 - pin 3 (TOUCH DOWN :D Here's MAP Sensor) 96, Non collegato Not used 97, Misuratore portata aria - pin 4 Air Flow Counter - pin 4 98, Non collegato Not Used 99, Sensore di giri - pin 1 100, Sensore di giri - pin 2 101, Sensore di giri - pin 3 RPM Sensor - pin 1 - pin 2 - pin 3 102, Sensore di fase alimentazione Power Supply Sensor 103, Sensore di fase - pin 1 104, Sensore di fase - pin 2 Power Supply Sensor - pin 1 - pin 2 105, Non collegato 106, Non collegato 107, Non collegato Not Used 108, Regolatore pressione gasolio 109, Regolatore pressione gasolio Diesel Boost Controller 110, Spia temperatura acqua Water Temperature Light 111, Teleruttore filtro gasolio Diesel Filter Switcher 112, Non collegato 113, Non collegato Not Used 114, Comando iniettore cilindro 4 Injector 4 Controller 115, Comando iniettore cilindro 5 (solo per 5 cilindri collegato) Injector 5 Controller ( does not exist Inj 5) 116, Non collegato Not Used 117, Comune iniettori cilindri 1-2 Common Signal Cylinders 1 - 2 118, Comune iniettori cilindri 3-4-5 Common Signal Injectors 3 - 4 - (5) 119, Comando iniettore cilindro 1 Injector 1 Controller 120, Comando iniettore cilindro 2 Injector 2 Controller 121, Comando iniettore cilindro 3 Injector 3 Controller eLearn - Contents Page 2 of 2 file://C:\eLearn\Web\tempcontent4.html 03/07/2009 That's All Folks (More or Less) :) x Rapidello, se possibile Avremmo bisogno di maggiori informazioni e spiegazioni per le linee numero: 17 - VGT 48 - Linea K 58 - Key Sense in pratica di cosa si tratterebbero. Grazie Richard hope to have been very useful informations. |
Thank you Prometeus, your Italian is very good. :lol:
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What do you want know about ecu? |
vgt is the controller of vnt turbo.
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I am reconfiguring a controller for you now. How can I send the system to you, I believe postage system is not very reliable in Italy. Perhaps I send it via D.
D, what do you think, shall I send it directly to Rapidello? R |
if you wat send to prometeus is not a problem,so i can take back my controller....
if you want, probably i can send tomorrow the english scheme of edc15c7....from original datasheet fiat/alfa romeo catalogue... |
Are you long way from Prometeus? If the English version is in pdf, can you email it to me as an attachment? richard@aquamist.co.uk
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COMPONENT DESCRIPTIONS
Injection control unit (EDC-15C Common Rail) It is fitted to the right side of the engine bay. The control unit is the 'flash EPROM' type, i.e. reprogrammable from the outside without intervening on the hardware. The injection control unit integrates the absolute pressure sensor. PINS 1 - Earth 2 - Earth 3 - Earth 4 - Actuator supply 5 - Injector/ECU supply 6 - Not connected 7 - Not connected 8 - Not connected 9 - Fast FL CAN line 10 - Fast FL CAN line 11 - Immobilizer 12 - Not connected 13 - Injection relay 14 - Not connected 15 - Throttle solenoid actuator for control on deactivation 16 - E.G.R. actuator 17 - VGT solenoid actuator 18 - Air conditioner relay 19 - Request to switch on fans 2nd speed 20 - Request to switch on fans 1st speed 21 - Injection warning light 22 - Spark plug activation 23 - Fuel filter relay 24 - Fuel pump relay 25 - Not connected 26 - Not connected 27 - Not connected 28 - C-CAN L 29 - C-CAN H 30 - Not connected 31 - Not connected 32 - Not connected 33 - Not connected 34 - Not connected 35 - Not connected 36 - Not connected 37 - Not connected 38 - Not connected 39 - Not connected 40 - Not connected 41- Not connected 42 - Not connected 43, Not connected 44, Not connected 45, Not connected 46, Not connected 47, Not connected 48, K line 49, Not connected 50, Not connected 51, Quadrinary on 52, Trinary on 53, Cruise control 54, Brake switch signal (released) 55, Cruise control 56, Cruise control 57, Cruise control 58, Key sense 59, Brake switch signal (pressed0 60, Request to switch on air conditioner 61, Clutch pedal switch 62, Spark plug fault diagnosis 63, Not connected 64, Not connected 65, Not connected 66, Not connected 67, Not connected 68, Not connected 69, Not connected 70, Not connected 71, Not connected 72, Not connected 73, Not connected 74, Not connected 75, Not connected 76, Accelerator 1 pedal earth 77, Accelerator 1 pedal 78, Accelerator 1 pedal power supply 79, Accelerator 2 pedal earth 80, Accelerator 2 pedal 81, Accelerator 2 pedal power supply 82, Fuel temperature sensor - pin 1 83, Fuel temperature sensor - pin 2 84, Water temperature sensor - pin 1 85, Water temperature sensor - pin 2 86, Air flow meter - pin 1 87, Not connected 88, Air flow meter - pin 3 89, Air flow meter - pin 5 90, Fuel pressure sensor - pin 3 91, Fuel pressure sensor - pin 2 92, Fuel pressure sensor - pin 1 93, Turbocharging pressure sensor - pin 1 94, Turbocharging pressure sensor - pin 3 95, Turbocharging pressure sensor - pin 2 96, Not connected 97, Air flow meter - pin 4 98, Engine oil pressure switch 99, Rpm sensor - pin 1 100, Rpm sensor - pin 2 101, Not connected 102, Timing sensor - pin 1 103, Timing sensor - pin 2 104, Timing sensor - pin 3 105, Swirl position feed back 106, Not connected 107, Not connected 108, Diesel pressure regulator 109, Diesel pressure regulator 110, Not connected 111, Not connected 112, Not connected 113, Not connected 114, Cylinder 4 injector control 115, Not connected 116, Not connected 117, Cylinders 1-2 injectors shared 118, Cylinder 3-4 injector common 119, Cylinder 1 injector control 120, Cylinder 2 injector control 121, Cylinder 3 injector control |
Fantastic ! Just I what is needed. Peometeus has done a great job translating it.
How far are you away from prometeous? |
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2 iniector of 0,5 are good for my application? my 147 wil be about 250 hp |
So near. Good.
Are you planning to run 100% water, M50/W50 or 100% methanol? |
i prefer 100% water, or 50-50....what do you reccomend?
if you want also edc16 (alfa 147 Mjet 16v)pin-out i can give you... |
I think 50/50 is good for winter and summer.
Is edc16 (alfa 147 Mjet 15V) a common rail diesel? I like the wiring diaghram also please. It is good information for the future. |
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my ecu is edc15, unijet common rail..... so you think that 2 injector 0,5 are good for my application? If you send prometeus the new controller,can you pre-setting? So i can't change the trimmer set? Thank you If i use sometime only 100% water will be a problem? |
this is edc16 (not for me, only for you)
CONNECTOR A 1, Cylinder 3 injector positive 2, Cylinder 2 injector positive 3, Not connected 4, Fuel pressure regulator positive 5, Not connected 6, Not connected 7, Not connected 8, Fuel pressure sensor negative 9, Not connected 10, Not connected 11, Timing sensor positive 12, Engine rpm sensor negative 13, Supercharging sensor positive 14, Not connected 15, Turbo pressure electro-pneumatic valve negative 16, Cylinder 1 injector positive 17, Cylinder 4 injector positive 18, Not connected 19, Not connected 20, Timing sensor negative 21, Not connected 22, Not connected 23, Intake air temperature and supercharging pressure sensor negative 24, Not connected 25, Not connected 26, Not connected 27, Engine rpm sensor positive 28, Fuel pressure sensor positive 29, Flow meter positive 30, Not connected 31, Cylinder 2 injector negative 32, Not connected 33, Cylinder 4 injector negative 34, Fuel pressure regulator negative 35, Insufficient engine oil pressure sensor signal 36, Not connected 37, Air temperature sensor on flow meter signal 38, Not connected 39, Not connected 40, Supercharging sensor signal 41, Coolant temperature sensor negative 42, Air flow meter signal 43, Fuel pressure sensor signal 44, Flow meter negative 45, Not connected 46, Cylinder 3 injector negative 47, Cylinder 1 injector negative 48, Not connected 49, Not connected 50, Timing sensor signal 51, Not connected 52, Not connected 53, Intake air temperature sensor signal 54, Not connected 55, Not connected 56, Not connected 57, Not connected 58, Coolant temperature sensor signal 59, Cut out throttle solenoid valve actuator negative 60, EGR solenoid valve negative CONNECTOR B 1, Power supply from main relay 2, Control unit earth 3, Not connected 4, Control unit earth 5, Main relay power supply 6, Control unit earth 7, Not connected 8, Accelerator pedal potentiometer track 2 signal 9, Accelerator pedal potentiometer track 1 signal 10, Fuel temperature signal negative 11, Fuel temperature sensor signal 12, Not connected 13, Not connected 14, Not connected 15, Not connected 16, Not connected 17, Brake pedal switch signal 18, Not connected 19, Not connected 20, Not connected 21, Not connected 22, Not connected 23, Not connected 24, Not connected 25, Line K 26, Not connected 27, Not connected 28, Key ON signal 29, Air conditioning compressor relay 30, Accelerator pedal potentiometer track 1 negative 31, Accelerator pedal potentiometer track 2 signal 32, Not connected 33, Not connected 34, Not connected 35, Not connected 36, Not connected 37, Not connected 38, Cruise Control resume 39, Not connected 40, Not connected 41, Not connected 42, Quadinary signal 43, Not connected 44, Not connected 45, Accelerator pedal potentiometer track 1 positive 46, Accelerator pedal potentiometer track 2 positive 47, Immobilizer line W 48, Engien rpm signal output to robotized gearbox 49, Not connected 50, Not connected 51, Not connected 52, Feedback signal from heater plugs control unit 53, Not connected 54, Request to engage climate control from control button 55, Not connected 56, Cruise Control positive 57, Not connected 58, Not connected 59, Not connected 60, Not connected 61, Low C-CAN from ABS control unit 62, High C-CAN from ABS control unit 63, Not connected 64, Not connected 65, Not connected 66, Not connected 67, Not connected 68, Fuel filter heater relay operation 69, Engine cooling fan 2nd speed engagement relay 70, Not connected 71, MIL warning light 72, Main relay activation 73, Not connected 74, Water in fuel filter signal 75, Not connected 76, Not connected 77, Cruise control on/off 78, Signal for cruise control speed decrease 79, Clutch switch signal 80, Brake pedal 2nd switch signal (only for versions with cruise control) 81, Quadinary signal 82, Not connected 83, Low C CAN to body computer 84, High C CAN to body computer 85, Not connected 86, Not connected 87, Not connected 88, Not connected 89, Not connected 90, Engine cooling fan 1st speed engagement relay 91, Fuel pump relay operation 92, Not connected 93, Heater plugs engagement http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/7784/phpaeepp1.png |
Thank you for the diagram, it wil be very useful for the next alfa.
I have a question, I assume both ECUs are for diesel applications. There seemed to be two type of common rail diesel. what is the difference between uni-jet and multi-jet. As regarding the trimmer of the re-configured HFS-6, you con use all the trimmers and scaling options. I just need to match the system to match and read the pulses of the diesel injectors. The pulsewidth is very short. Using water is find but use less due to the higher latent heat value than methanol. The HFS-6 can read the following, but require some signal re-conditioning: - Common rail diesel injector (high rail pressure - most diesel) - Common rail gasoline injector (high rail pressure - VW, Audi, PSA) - Gasoline direct injection with solenoid actuator - Gasoline direct injection with piezo actuator (new BMW) The trend is changing very fast - difficult to keep up with this new Direct injection technology. |
Uni-jet(edc15), make a single injection on cycle,the first tipe of common rail....
multijet(using edc16) make multiple injection...so decrease diesel consumpion, decrease noise and decrease air pollution. do you need anything else to configure controller? i hope with the pin-out of ecu you can set up all... |
He's next to my address, should be same. Anyway as you prefer. D
But such kind of car should take part to Brighton Speed Trials don't you agree Richard? :D Rapidello non ci sono problemi a viaggiare con solo l'acqua. Il metanolo porta un miglioramento delle prestazioni ben visibile sui motori diesel, non altri. Tutto qui. I'll be in Brighton for Speed Trials; surely be in from Friday. I'm too lazy for reserving a room now. 8 ? Flightfare are good enough to be spent online these times :twisted:... London Luton Of Course :lol: |
The HFS-6 has a unique line for FSi and Diesel with electronic injector. It is the yellow wire on the yellow RJ45 harness.
Since we are detecting the pulse width of injector, it really doesn't matter how many injection events are there per cycle. As I read from other publications, the multi-jet has three injection events, covering idle, light load and full load. I think I have most of the information need to get the system working for your application. I don't have one more question. Can I assume the uni-jet vary the fuel rail pressure. I may need you to locate this signal and feed it to the blue wire of the yellow harness to purpose of full signal integration. I am sure I can find the correct pinout from your previous emails. Other basic connection such as switched +12v (ignition key position#2 - pre-cranking). It would be nice to know which pin of the ECU so that the HFS-6 can get every signal from the ECU. (unfortunately it is in the engine bay rather inside the car). I trust you can splice in the wires and provide some water proofing work afterwards. |
if you have a problem to configure controller,i can use the component of hfs-5...or an easy system like 1s ? (now i use an 1s and is quite good)
can't you use only map sensor? without injition signal? |
do you have an italian instruction guide of hfs-5 or hfs-6?
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The HFS-6 can run on MAP sensor as shipped. Just change the jumper link from PWM to MPS, just need the mAP senasor signal. I like to use the fuel flowe signal so that the water flow id directly proportional to fuel.
If the flow is based on pressure only, you will be injecting water all the time because a turbo diesel reaches full boost very quickly, even a medium load. You can play with the MPS mode on the system at your procession, let me know, may be it is perfectly OK. |
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Here is the pdf version in English: http://www.aquamist.co.uk/V10/HFS-5-v10w.pdf (HFS-5) http://www.aquamist.co.uk/HFS6/HFS-6-3w.pdf (HFS-6) |
i can traslate in the future if you want....
now i wait for you configure the new controllor.... only if we have problem i will use mps... thank you... |
Thanks for the offer, but it is not necessary as most Italians read English. Only a few English reads Italian!
I shouldn't think I have problem interpreting the diesel injection signal, The HFS-6 been successful wiht the Gaslsoline direct injection signal. Because thereare so many different types of direction system out there, I need to make certain before configurating them. |
I am actually translating... :roll:
Richard, I'll get a visit to Torness... :D I'll try to sell them a system... guess which :lol: |
Let me guess, Koenigsegg?
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You never miss a Saxon shotrace car :lol:
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A days or twos, final tests wil be done by this week.
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