Re: RICESP Water Injected RX7
 

180/2.616 = ~69bhp/lt/bar
NA engines always runs worse map/tip which effects the power output in a negative manner, and without knowing what level of street port as well means that your figure could be in the mean average of what to expect?

Video here to watch > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hlbcnjc53mE

https://i.imgur.com/EfTjRtI.jpg

Maybe easier to email me mate?

Re: RICESP Water Injected RX7
 

On the EVO the car is turbo charger limited.
As far as I can remember even with the RRWEP based old school WI kits regardless of turbocharger its always been the case that you end up turbo limited.
In modern context say in Borg Warner in EFR range, the largest one they make despite running any engine type and specification the critical speed of them is the thing that limits the power is what I have found personally.
In the Life Racing/Syvecs ECU the below is always a control element that is active.
https://i.imgur.com/KsY2FJH.jpg

Re: RICESP Water Injected RX7
 

Turbocharged 13B-REW

Stock

https://i.imgur.com/J2LRQFK.jpg


Street ported with basic mods

https://i.imgur.com/SUHy4c7.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/I81C5M2.jpg

Re: RICESP Water Injected RX7
 

I currently use WM50 to allow proper cylinder balancing of engines based on LOP methodology using my own specification/made EGT probes. Swing between 0.800 to 1.160 looking at rate of change and trimming each as required.

Again another great use of water injection.

Its not known cause I don't share everything, but ~20 years ago I ran 350+rwkw on a 13B turbo at 1 lambda with pre turbo injection, this was by accident actually, but was the first time I had viewed it, the dyno operator could not believe! it and thought his probe was wrong? as there was no way in hell a turbo rotary on pump petrol could do such a thing and live. In the end we did 5 consecutive runs all between 349rwkw and 357rwkw all at 1.000 Lambda or thereabouts !

Re: RICESP Water Injected RX7
 

Lam 1 is future with eu7. Its either water injection (port or DI or emulsion) or cut power. These integrated exh manifolds help a bit to stay longer stoichiometric but yes the water opens a whole new level of keeping efficiency even at bmep > 30 bar.

Ill send an email about a other car I am building. I assumed when you said per liter you meant 360* equivalent, with 2.6l or 270* of offcourse makes alot more sense.

In this car I have 2 decent egt probes but the issue here is that im using a australian ecu that relies on an innovate tc4 which is the greatest crap after dog poo really... 20* error where it counts on channel 2. Channel 1 is pretty close. Channel 3-4 are completely off..

For the efr they have now there ‘black series’ which is actually just a bigger trim compressor wheel on the same turbine. If you can stay away from surge it will bring more top end. What you also can do is look in the SXE range. They have a different (better) geometry of comp housing. It drops on the ‘classic’ efr range. It helps both surge and choke zone. Look at the efr76 and sxe map. Same wheel. Using the sxe housing on an efr76 which I made into a s300v vgt housing it made a day and night difference. I spoke with BW and since this year they offer the sxe housing option in their catalog.

Re: RICESP Water Injected RX7
 

Yes a d you know these roadrage turbo speed convertors that where some years ago sold as standard for the EFR range theyre even worse. I had 2 of them bought on the same day and there was over 10% difference in the rate ( v/krpm)

Hard to believe they can make something so simple so bad and even ask money for it.. Thesedays l rely on frequency input if the ecu has or of not all it takes is a lm2917 and a good resistor and capacitor.

Re: RICESP Water Injected RX7
 

oh really :) just goes to prove you have to question and know how to sort the shit from the clay ;)
Thanks for posting the clip of your Omega Engineering meter, I bought one of them today to have a secondary item to my main one.

Re: RICESP Water Injected RX7
 

Tested a fine wire K type probe and also fed through the Syvecs KT8, will have the omega engineering and eti instruments soon to do more validations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXbO9O8_P0k&t=77s

^ check it out

https://i.imgur.com/dNLC1IP.jpg?1

Re: RICESP Water Injected RX7
 

I reckon the black probe is the open element one? the others are colder because the insulation jackets transfers some heat down? What probe would you recommend peter? At the moment I use the 3mm ones from RS with the inconel 600 outer sheet, PN 824-0675

They aren't fast but last multiple race seasons in our rx-3 PP. the ones with stainless outer sheet usually failed in 1 or 2 races. we run max 950 egt but run the engine mostly between 7 and 9k rpm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CExNDVC1WI in this movie if you put quality to 1080p you can get an idea of the response time

Re: RICESP Water Injected RX7
 

Hi Mate,

Yes the heat transfer is the issue.
My probes are Inconel 600 as you know these are the only things that last, SS is cheap and nasty not suitable for anything but maybe 2 stroke bikes etc.
If you want some or more detail etc shoot me an email peter@riceracing.com.au
I took my latest video for a bloke on here who wants to use these for turbo compressor exit temperature, they are very fast.

Will take a look at your video now ;)