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Old 12-12-2010, 01:14 PM
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I will try installing the SC around the OEM Air Filter Box(the one will be removed). There is a possibility the SC to be installed on the other side (left side if you are staying in front of the car).Finally there is also a lot of free space in front of the engine. The space is very tight but the SC is also very compact. I am sure I will find a way to squeeze it somewhere. My goal will be:
As close as possible to the engine(here 1cm is the best 10cm is the worst scenario); As little curves from SC->Aftercooler->intake as possible; a nice design for gripping the pulleys as much as possible.
As I said I really do not have a way to add a Throttle position sensor so will that be a problem with the 3D map - or let's say will it transform to a 2.5D ops:
So for now it will be nice to buy a 5V Weber/Marelli style additional MAP which I could find in plenty OEM applications of the good 90s and a CLAMP for the OEM.

Absolute stunning discussion... you a helping me big time.
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Old 12-12-2010, 01:20 PM
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Default Re: Supercharging BMW E90 N46B20 320i 4cyl

Th eMF2 does not need a TPS, just boost and RPM.
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Old 12-12-2010, 01:26 PM
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Here is a sample picture of an E90 with the same engine as mine:
Either left or right side will be fine. The SC could be mounted horizontally, vertically or in any desired angle as far as the pulley aligns with the crank.
I will start with the mounting brackets, because if I cannot secure the SC in a way that NO belt slippage or damage occurs there will be no sense to continue on.
I have the chance to use the services of a professional water or laser cutter for pretty cheap price. This will assure perfect dimensioning and precise cutting.
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Old 12-12-2010, 01:48 PM
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Now I am looking for a solution to the sequential additional injection, but it will be very difficult for realization, as far as I could visualize it in my head.
First the manifold is plastic and welding would be impossible, so I have to design something unusual using the strapping points for the manifold plastic cover(In the picture above this cover is removed, as well as I did it a while ago). If I manage to solve this problem I will be facing the space shortage between the manifold top and the engine bay lid (bonnet/hood). However a 45 degree boss install would save some valuable hight and finally it could be realized but there are a large amount of unknowns in this equation. :? :?
I will research the google images from cover to cover on this topic and hope soon to post some ideas for discussion.

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P.S. a photo from realoem.com for reference to the manifold
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Old 12-12-2010, 03:46 PM
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Default Re: Supercharging BMW E90 N46B20 320i 4cyl

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Here is a sample picture of an E90 with the same engine as mine:
Either left or right side will be fine. The SC could be mounted horizontally, vertically or in any desired angle as far as the pulley aligns with the crank.
I will start with the mounting brackets, because if I cannot secure the SC in a way that NO belt slippage or damage occurs there will be no sense to continue on.
I have the chance to use the services of a professional water or laser cutter for pretty cheap price. This will assure perfect dimensioning and precise cutting.
Well, if you have access to a sheet meter cutter, the choice is limitless. I suggest putting the the side without exhaust pipes
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Old 12-12-2010, 03:54 PM
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Default Re: Supercharging BMW E90 N46B20 320i 4cyl

as secondary injector only comes on under boost, the mass air airflow in the runners is also supersonic, you can place the injector anywhere along the runner. I belive the plastic used for the manifold is made of hard plactic, drill and tap and could be a solution.

Dod the E90 engine at some point used a cast metal manifold? Worth looking through history.
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Old 14-12-2010, 10:49 AM
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Ok so I am planning on using one Warer Methanol(actually Ethanol but I am still reading on this topic) nozzle and what could you suggest me for the FUEL Injection? Should I have FUEL injector in every runner or something different? If you could refer me to a link or just anything...
The best position for the Water Injection nozzle is between SC an Throttle Body, isn't it?
I am waiting for a EFI book which will give me some more knowledge on how to crunch the numbers for the injectors.
I will keep you updated.
P.S. I have just bought a MAP + pigtail for making MF2 driver to produce a 3D fuel map.
***The MAP photo is a sample photo found in google, because I am still waiting to be shipped but it is the same genuine GM 3bar Map sensor + weather connector
*****Interesting write up on the GM MAP topic which somebody could find useful:
http://www.robietherobot.com/storm/mapsensor.htm
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Old 14-12-2010, 11:10 AM
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Cool Re: Supercharging BMW E90 N46B20 320i 4cyl

Better Photos of the Intake Manifold from different angles:
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Old 15-12-2010, 04:39 AM
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Sorry I am jumping in here late and only skimmed the thread. You mentioned you do not have a typical TB, that it is half open at idle. How do you plan to throttle the SC? If you pick a ratio to produce boost at WOT, then that is the permanent drive ratio. Unless you have a way to "choke" the SC, it will try to make boost all the time.

Maybe I missed something and am off-base, maybe this has been sorted already?
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Old 15-12-2010, 09:41 AM
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Default Re: Supercharging BMW E90 N46B20 320i 4cyl

There is a TB which in my case is called Valvetronic. Valvetronic is controlled generally by the DME(ECU) via several sensors. I will post later the technical information about the DISA and Valvetronic systems in my engine.
I was telling that the usual TB which is fastened to the Intake Manifold inlet works as a normal TB only when there is an error in the valvetronic control.
I am also selecting some of the most important information about the Mercedes's system which I am going to post later today.
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