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Old 21-02-2006, 01:14 AM
tawnybill tawnybill is offline
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Default Are you getting fair value for your fuel money?

Check this out, careful it is disgusting and may make you S**K!!

IT IS POSTED AT; http://tawnybill.tripod.com/id19.html

The Efficiency Drive

Since there little chance that fuel prices will ever go down much, or stay down for long, conservation and prudent use of this resource is gathering more favor all of the time, all because this Luxury in Waste; is no longer affordable . (Even US President George Bush is advocating conservation!)

By analysis of our current use of fuel, these startling facts became apparent, which prompted this innovative approach to be concieved and then developed, providing both, measurable fuel conservation, and a genuine reduction in air pollution.

The Facts

- All engine and heating fuel used today is explosive

As well as,

- Has heat value, two distinctive characteristics.

However, in each of the following examples only one of these two consumer (paid for) values is used and consequently, the other is wasted.


When a gallon of diesel fuel used as an auto fuel in an average vehicle for its explosive capability, it might propel it for 30 miles down the highway, however the heat generated in the motor by doing this is just dumped directly into the atmosphere, apparently having no USABLE value.


When used for home heating fuel in a furnace that same gallon of diesel fuel could heat the average house in Northern climates for about six hours against an outside temperature of -30 C. However, its explosive capacity must be safely circumvented in the common heating furnace, because of the damage it would cause, so the explosive energy is wasted, having no USABLE value, in this case.

Comparatively by each using the same (4) gallons of fuel;

The car would have driven 120 miles and discarded an equivalent amount of heat to our atmosphere, which a home would lose in 24 hours in -30 C weather. Alternatively, the home using the same amount of fuel in a conventional furnace for heat will have outright lost an equivalent amount of energy, which drove the car for 120 miles, by defeating its torque producing explosive ability.

These are huge loses to inefficiency!

Recovering the wasted energy

In the car, simply capitalizing on the heat naturally released in the motor during combustion, then converting that heat to produce a steam explosion, and additional torque. Which makes the motor an internal combustion steam engine and in doing this the converted motor also has the bonus of scrubbing the exhaust products clean of all of its water-soluble and Acid rain producing Green House Gases (GHGs).
This change in the use of the fuels "explosive including heat" energy, increases its "Torque Producing" fuel efficiency by 25%. And so four gallons of diesel fuel would drive the car for (120 miles + 25%) or 150 miles!

In the home the four gallons of heating fuel is used in a similarly converted engine, still producing the same amount of heat out of the fuel.
However, also making use of the work the engine does in a motor/ generator arrangement, provides a Stand-a-lone Home Energy Unit and generating more than the daily consumption of electricity as would normally be used by the house, every day, free.

The excess electricity is converted to heat also and further increases the homes heating fuel efficiency to well over 100%! when compared to the present.

Above all! the the common oil boiler with its huge capacity to produce perticulate and acid rain polluting emissions is replaced.

The Silver Lining

These advances could result in a combined effect of dramatic proportions by not only reducing our future fuel consumption, but how it is used, along with the much welcomed reduction in the GHG production and pollution emissions...

How soon depends on public demand! So, Lets Become Demanding!

Contact your legislative representatives and tell them to act on this alternative!

More information about these systems, now in development, is at http://tawnybill.tripod.com/.
and more recently at; http://tawnybill.tripod.com/id19.html

Please contact me at, tawnybill@yahoo.ca with any feedback.

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Old 21-02-2006, 01:47 PM
JohnA JohnA is offline
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Default A more appropriate forum for this subject


It looks like you think you've stumbled onto something that needs to be examined by specialists

I suggest that you post your findings and ideas onto this forum, a firm favourite of mine:

It is frequented by professional engineers and designers, and it's your best chance to get extensive and honest feedback.
Some people there really know their thermodynamics


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Old 26-02-2006, 04:36 AM
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Willy, your theory is flawed. You can't get more than 100% efficiency out of this. All you can hope to make use of is all the heat energy contained in the fuel, whether it is used for mechanical work, thermal work, or both. There are always losses in the system that will reduce the overall system efficiency to something below 100%.

What you are describing is called co-generation. It is used in many industrial facilities to maximize the efficiency of the huge amounts of fuel they use for process heat. I believe we will also see residential size co-gen units become popular within a few years if electricity rates keep going up. In the mean time, high-efficiency condensing furnaces do a pretty good job of using all the available heat.

I looked at your website and now understand the link to water injection that brought you here. Unfortunately, engines - particularly those used in transportation - would not run well with the high proportion of water that you want to inject. In stationary co-gen applications, it is not required to inject the water into the combustion chamber because all the waste heat can easily be reclaimed from the engine coolant and exhaust.

I'm afraid you are fighting a losing battle on this. Take my professional advice and work on something that is feasible... I suggest bio-fuels will have a future.

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Old 26-02-2006, 07:39 AM
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This is quite an amazing coincidence. I went to the Autoweek site to read an article on the possible Champ Car - IRL merger and I notice this story...


There may be something to this water-injection-to-create-steam after all!
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