RICESP Water Injected RX7

[RICE RACING]

Originally Posted by Grant M

great stuff Peter, once my car is running (RX4) i cant wait to order a WI system off you and start building on my cars performance. I am starting off at just 14 psi with a Borgwarner s366 turbo, but with the WI in place i want to run the engine up to 2 bar, however this will be over time and i will learn how to make my car gain the full benefits of WI!!

Great to hear Grant, no matter what WI system you purchase (they all have potential to do what I have proved here) make sure you re read over this thread.... (I did this last night my time). It's amazing what can be achieved with WI on a turbo engine. I think RL and Howerton mentioned it in a few replies that being methodical and testing and testing some more is the only way to have the same results as what I have done here.

Some vendors will obviously give you a great starting point, but regardless of this the system needs to be integrated into your own car and each and every single one of these can vary for a whole host of real reasons (not excuses) and so its imperative that you are on top of the whole system before you try to achieve what I have done in my own car (and across the years in many customers cars).

You will love water injection, I have lots of customers (most of them shop owners) who still keep in touch with me years later btw still going on about how unbelievable the science is, once you unlock the door to its proven performance you will never ever run a turbocharged car without it

So far as my own next steps? After re reading my own thread here spanning "years" and ever shifting goals and targets I think that is it for my RICESP, its a beautiful car both to look at and to drive, something very very unique and special (to me anyway!).... I have lots of end users I work with on special projects around WI system developments and that will go on as it has for a long time now, some stuff is unheard of on any "forums" and shit you cant just google (too bad for the copy cats lol). Without going into any technical specifics because of confidentiality agreements I have with these people/organizations I can tell you that what I have developed and worked on makes what is public freely shared info and specs look like the majority of the internet LOL. Allot is rotary based but covers all types of ICE principles..... some exciting stuff is based around turbo compounding and running unheard of levels of turbo boost pressure reliably (all due to WI !) in conventional petrol engines...... some of the power outputs are astounding to say the least

[Grant M]

Compound turbos = 100psi.

From the info I have read about the 2013 F1 season, they are going back to turbo charged cars, but with compound turbos!!

[RICE RACING]

Originally Posted by Grant M

Compound turbos = 100psi.

info I have read about the 2013 F1 season, they are going back to turbo charged cars, but with compound turbos!!

Don't get too excited If you read the whole FIA rules proposal it is a fucked formula, WI is banned, VGT is banned, exotic materials are banned, they even dictate how a waste gated system must be run etc etc, it goes on and on and its gayer than an Elton John concert The "compound" part they refer too is an old aviation trick of running a second turbine coupled back to the crank shaft via a gear box system, this increases engine efficiency and a little bit of power, some trucks used to run this system as well.

The compounded systems are around 125psi FWI pretty radical stuff but I will get shot if I talk much about it lol.

[Grant M]

TBH with F1 I get pretty damn bored of all the BS that goes wit it. The people that run it have spoilt the racing part of it, it's all about pitstops and strategies rather than actuall racing.

Ayrton senna once said "if you no longer go for a gap, you are no longer a racing driver" if the F1 business took this mentality it would be better than anything. They should bring back 12,000rpm 1.5 litre turbos. 4 cylinder only. And let them do what they want with power so long as the fuel lasts a full race and the engines last 4 races.

I won't ask about what you have been sworn to secrecy on, so to not tempt you

[Grant M]

Originally Posted by RICE RACING

Don't get too excited If you read the whole FIA rules proposal it is a fucked formula, WI is banned, VGT is banned, exotic materials are banned, they even dictate how a waste gated system must be run etc etc, it goes on and on and its gayer than an Elton John concert The "compound" part they refer too is an old aviation trick of running a second turbine coupled back to the crank shaft via a gear box system, this increases engine efficiency and a little bit of power, some trucks used to run this system as well.

The compounded systems are around 125psi FWI pretty radical stuff but I will get shot if I talk much about it lol.

So the compound system is more related to the KERS systems they are using rather than actually increasing input into the engine?

Eco friendly F1 is hugely gay.

That's like having electric drag cars. The whole point of it for the crowd is the speed and the noise, electric drag cars make no noise.

[RICE RACING]

The "great days" of the automobile racing at the pointy end were in the 70's to the latest early 90's in IMSA and Japan, after that the world went HOMO so far as racing cars and categories goes, NASCAR formulas abound, its all about the show and fuck all about technological advancement and the most powerful racing cars. Contrived doctored air restricted boost limited NA only! or V8 only etc cookie cutter forms of racing divisions, and now ultimate insult is eco friendly bullshit sewn in = Elton John and George Michael in a Californian Public Toilet

In the world today there are cool sports, little pockets of turbo love where people apply all kinds of technology new and old and you see some sick cars!@ but sadly it is no longer main stream and no longer are the smartest minds and best people working in it ............. go figure that one out.

Sad but true you will see more exciting/technologically advanced cars at a Slovakian Hill Climb Meeting or a Norway rally cross event than you will see on a F1 BBC broad cast since the mid to late 1990's

[raddy]

Hi mate, have to say that your notice about Slovakian Hill Climb Meeting make me really interested if you mean Slovakia, Central Europe?

[RICE RACING]

Originally Posted by raddy

Hi mate, have to say that your notice about Slovakian Hill Climb Meeting make me really interested if you mean Slovakia, Central Europe?

This sort of thing... yes > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-4s-iFoR50

[RICE RACING]

Originally Posted by RICE RACING

Here is an update of the durability (measured by compression) of a stock 13B-REW (from brand new) when run at sustained high power. Taken form my postings on Aquamist Water Injection site.



So a full year on and covered another 6000km (to date: all up 8200km) of testing/racing/top speed trials.
Summary: Every drive has been quite high load 90-140 testing probably around 400 or so of these tests, many 100-200kmh & 60-130mph runs (3rd to top of 4th gear) and a few top speed runs (on special test track ). Last 3000km at ~500bhp level @ 1.53kg/cm Boost level.

I did one intermediate compression test between the 1800km and this one today, but only wrote those figures down rather than taking a photo/proof. They were close to the ones today.

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This test was fully dry (engine run till out of fuel) and EGI disconnected, First one cant remember but I think was not as "empty" of excess fluid, this makes a high difference to rotary engine compression readings FYI.

Anyway she is not too bad, I did not think it would hold up this good especially given its a mobile test bed each and every single time it gets driven.

I have it at its new boost level of 1.7bar (around 1.75kg/cm) and it is a rocket see if she can make another year of punishment

So here is my once annual compression check up of RICESP (3rd year now! ~20,000km covered!)... This is after using the car as my daily driver for over 6 months! and also all of the higher boost settings and reconfiguration I have done over the Christmas breakk

Compression is better than 12 months ago!!!!

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[Grant M]

that is just brilliant.