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Old 12-07-2004, 04:55 PM
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Default Nozzle sizing /Flow rate

In a diesel application I've heard that flow rate can vary significantly. What is the most appropriate method for determining water flow rate? Should nozzles be specced according to fuel delivery rate or boost level, or both?
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Old 12-07-2004, 06:12 PM
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ideally, the water flowrate should match the air mass. Fuel flow rate is also possible but not as accurate.
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Old 12-07-2004, 06:57 PM
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My 6.5L turbo diesel flows a little over 400 CFM. What nozzle size would provide an appropriate water flow rate at maximum load? Since I have a tough time with metric conversions I would appreciate knowing the nozzle water flow rate in either oz/min. or GPH.
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Old 12-07-2004, 09:14 PM
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My 6.5L turbo diesel flows a little over 400 CFM. What nozzle size would provide an appropriate water flow rate at maximum load? Since I have a tough time with metric conversions I would appreciate knowing the nozzle water flow rate in either oz/min. or GPH.
1. 1 cu ft per minute = 0.028cu m per minute
2. 400 cu ft = 11.2cu m per minute
3. 1 cu m of air weights 1Kg at 25C
4. so 400 cu ft per minute is 11.2Kg per minute.

1mm nozzle flow 330cc/min (aquamist pump) or 11.6 oz/min
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Old 14-07-2004, 02:43 PM
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I'm looking at fine spray atomizing nozzles. These nozzles are available in brass, 303 stainless steel and 316 stainless steel. There is a wide range in cost among the three materials. Is a specific nozzle material recommended over another?

How important is water particle size? Depending upon the quality and number of nozzles used, you can achieve a relatively wide margin in particle size as measured in microns.
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Old 14-07-2004, 06:25 PM
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Any nozzle material will do as long as it is compatible with the water you use.

Drop size should vary between 30-80 micron - too small droplet will displace air space after evaporation. Too big will cause distribution problems.
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Old 28-11-2004, 01:09 AM
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Richard,

Are you saying here that you don't promote 100% saturation, with some of the water going to the cylinder as liquid?
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Old 14-12-2004, 08:08 PM
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I missed this post sorry.

100% saturation is normally achieved in winter and rarely in hot Summer, so for a system that will inject water proportional to the degree of saturation under all boost, summer, winter and differebt load is not going to be easy.

I have no strong view on 100% saturation - metering the water against the fuel flow is pretty accurate.

Water is a very powerful coolant, I am only concern with a system that cannot determine where the 100% saturation point is, over watering might loose power instead of gaining. It is silly to use a good portion of power produced by the engine just to turn the water into steam and to come out of the exhaust pipe.
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Old 25-12-2004, 12:11 AM
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Spindrift

Your diesel is an airpump with fuel metered in for power. For charge cooling, the rate of air is going to be the dominant factor in how much water can be metabolized, so MAF or boost would be good metering dependents (inputs).
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Old 28-05-2005, 07:08 PM
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We in Italy have developed sys. related to the turbo pressure...
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