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Old 13-12-2019, 10:59 AM
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^ They excel at making rubbish items, yet they still sell them. I put it down to generation retard, what is lost today is the ability to think critically and to use basics taught in 'legitimate schools' to cross check or validate a result. Their whole line up is dodgy as f*ck as you have shown. Imagine if someone took for granted that this was correct and then applied the miss understood reading of an EGT probe to try and equalize for temperature, no wonder there are so many problems from user basic skill set to implementation. Poor engines
Yes a d you know these roadrage turbo speed convertors that where some years ago sold as standard for the EFR range theyre even worse. I had 2 of them bought on the same day and there was over 10% difference in the rate ( v/krpm)

Hard to believe they can make something so simple so bad and even ask money for it.. Thesedays l rely on frequency input if the ecu has or of not all it takes is a lm2917 and a good resistor and capacitor.
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Old 13-12-2019, 11:08 AM
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Yes a d you know these roadrage turbo speed convertors that where some years ago sold as standard for the EFR range theyre even worse. I had 2 of them bought on the same day and there was over 10% difference in the rate ( v/krpm)

Hard to believe they can make something so simple so bad and even ask money for it.. Thesedays l rely on frequency input if the ecu has or of not all it takes is a lm2917 and a good resistor and capacitor.
oh really just goes to prove you have to question and know how to sort the shit from the clay
Thanks for posting the clip of your Omega Engineering meter, I bought one of them today to have a secondary item to my main one.
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Old 15-12-2019, 04:30 AM
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Tested a fine wire K type probe and also fed through the Syvecs KT8, will have the omega engineering and eti instruments soon to do more validations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXbO9O8_P0k&t=77s

^ check it out

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Old 16-12-2019, 11:08 AM
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I reckon the black probe is the open element one? the others are colder because the insulation jackets transfers some heat down? What probe would you recommend peter? At the moment I use the 3mm ones from RS with the inconel 600 outer sheet, PN 824-0675

They aren't fast but last multiple race seasons in our rx-3 PP. the ones with stainless outer sheet usually failed in 1 or 2 races. we run max 950 egt but run the engine mostly between 7 and 9k rpm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CExNDVC1WI in this movie if you put quality to 1080p you can get an idea of the response time

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Old 16-12-2019, 12:41 PM
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I reckon the black probe is the open element one? the others are colder because the insulation jackets transfers some heat down? What probe would you recommend peter? At the moment I use the 3mm ones from RS with the inconel 600 outer sheet, PN 824-0675

They aren't fast but last multiple race seasons in our rx-3 PP. the ones with stainless outer sheet usually failed in 1 or 2 races. we run max 950 egt but run the engine mostly between 7 and 9k rpm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CExNDVC1WI in this movie if you put quality to 1080p you can get an idea of the response time
Hi Mate,

Yes the heat transfer is the issue.
My probes are Inconel 600 as you know these are the only things that last, SS is cheap and nasty not suitable for anything but maybe 2 stroke bikes etc.
If you want some or more detail etc shoot me an email peter@riceracing.com.au
I took my latest video for a bloke on here who wants to use these for turbo compressor exit temperature, they are very fast.

Will take a look at your video now
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Old 16-12-2019, 12:46 PM
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we run max 950 egt but run the engine mostly between 7 and 9k rpm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CExNDVC1WI in this movie if you put quality to 1080p you can get an idea of the response time
So the issue with these is that they never get anywhere near the real temperature.
You will see when you fit a pair of mine that it will more than likely read 100+ deg C higher than this below, and not constantly creep up all the way down the straight

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Old 16-12-2019, 01:07 PM
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Ruben, here is a 3mm closed probe v's an open one (for EGT application) super extended but they dont last in real world (3000km in road car).
Anyway you can see the 3mm closed version suffers from never reaching temp and delays, not to mention being very long way from reporting something near accurate end figure.
This is all legacy info from decade ago put over onto the LR software to see in a nicer format.







What I have made is a probe that exceeds the fine wire super extended tip, but in a fully enclosed Inconel 600 form and many factors higher response rate, and better accuracy.
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Old 16-12-2019, 01:27 PM
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In the below video these are my previous suppliers own type of probes, open element but in a stupid 1/4" size, they respond ok & are tolerable for some kind of indication of temperature.
My own design is 5 times faster than these and read ~100deg C higher at peak temperature, so far more accurate. This is super important for TIT cause I know I have lost count how many times have pulled apart a turbo to see the blades in distress, when in reality the poor cunts have been seeing temps that are maybe 200 or 300 degrees higher than what is reported via sub standard understanding of how an EGT Thermocouple works, IE: as a friend of mine said rightly it reads the temp of the probe and not so much the thing its measuring !@

Video > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cl8i...ature=youtu.be

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Old 17-12-2019, 01:36 PM
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Got a heap of them in stock as of today, but almost all sold !
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Old 17-12-2019, 02:16 PM
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