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Old 01-02-2004, 06:02 AM
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Default Dyno results from Denver with Water/Meth



5k feet in elevation, humidity around 80%, temps between 25*F and 30*F, and SNOWING.


The first run was with the EZ off (boost fooler only - no data port connection). 190.88 hp & 436.91 tq

Second run was EZ on level 2. 259.11 hp & 663.23 tq (+68.23 & 226.32)

Third and Fourth runs was the EZ on 2 and the Water/Meth (50/50 mix, 140 psi pump, 2 - 375ml injectors). 322.78 & 314.00 hp and 756.04 & 758.60 tq (+63.67 & 92.81)

The W/M injection did a heck of a lot better than I thought as cold as it was. I am a bit dissapointed in my stock numbers - what the hell happened to the 245 HO motor?

I can't wait for those 70*+ days to get here.
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02 Dodge 3500 5.9 Cummins, 3:54, 4x4, AFE Intake, US-Gear SD E-brake, PIF-EZ, PIF-Snow Performance W/M injection, Stage II fuel injectors

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Old 01-02-2004, 05:23 PM
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Dynos for diesels always throw me a bit on first glance. :lol:

If my calcs are right those peaks occur at about 2250 rpm?

Are these actual numbers at the wheel or are they corrected to crank numbers?

What vehicle is this in?

Update us with the mpg when you have some time with it.

Sorry to pile on the questions - this is an area I continue to want to learn more about.
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Old 01-02-2004, 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Charged Performance
Dynos for diesels always throw me a bit on first glance. :lol:

If my calcs are right those peaks occur at about 2250 rpm?

Are these actual numbers at the wheel or are they corrected to crank numbers?

What vehicle is this in?

Update us with the mpg when you have some time with it.

Sorry to pile on the questions - this is an area I continue to want to learn more about.
Peak torque is between 2000 and 2250 rpm. Peak HP is around 2500.

These numbers are at the wheel/ground. They may be corrected to sea level, but that is a bit dicey. The flywheel HP and Torque numbers for this truck are 245 and 500 stock.

The truck is a 2002 Dodge Ram 3500 with the 5.9 ISB Cummins Diesel, and the 6 speed transmission. In the world of modifying these engines, I am basically stock. The only power enhancing item is the Edge EZ (only used in 25% of my driving) and the Water/Meth injection (only used in conjunction with the EZ, and then only when I feel like it :twisted: ). I plan on larger injectors and a hybrid turbo this year.

My fuel mileage is 14 - 17 city and 16 - 22 highway. The mileage on the injection system I will not know about until spring. I don't know that I will actually be able to get any numbers on that anyhow. I still need to do some tuning, and the main goal is EGT control while towing, not big power increases, therefore it is not on full time. Only at a pre set boost range between 8psi and 25psi (soon to be 25 psi and 35 psi) I may step down to only one injector, and/or turn down my pump.

Other TDR members that have installed this same kit have seen up to 120 HP and ??? Torque increases, with 150 to 300 degree drops in the EGT's. Fluid consumption is about 2mpg, but these are WOT drag races. Dyno runs might use only 10oz per run. The numbers say the larger kits using the two 625ml injectors use .330 gallons per minute at full pressure, and that is only when the boost is above 25psi (steep hills, or hard accelerations). Best estimates for those that use it commuting on the same path are getting about 80 mpg to the injection fluid, and combined fuel mileage is not enough to notice.
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02 Dodge 3500 5.9 Cummins, 3:54, 4x4, AFE Intake, US-Gear SD E-brake, PIF-EZ, PIF-Snow Performance W/M injection, Stage II fuel injectors

Will work for a hybrid turbo!
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Old 30-04-2004, 02:17 PM
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We just had another Dyno Day in Fort Collins Colorado on the 24th of April. Quite a few Dodge TDR members running the system with some good HP gains. There was one Ford (late 90's model) that gained 70 hp. One of very few Fords to break the 400hp mark.

Now for my results. I bumped up one of my W/M injectors to a 625ml from the two 375ml from my last run. This may have been a mistake since I did not see the gains that I saw with the two 375ml injectors..or I need a larger turbo. The only other changes to my truck were the installation of some 70hp Fuel injectors and I started running stanadyne(sp?) fuel treatment. W/M mix was a solid 50/50, temps were in the 60's, altitude 5200ft.

Mode - Horsepower - Gains - Gains over stock - Torque - Gains - Gains over stock
Stock - 190.88 - 436.91
Fuel - 268.68 - 77.80 - 77.80 - 624.76 - 187.85 - 187.85
Fuel & W/I - 305.05 - 36.37 - 114.17 - 659.90 - 35.14 - 222.99
Fuel & Edge EZ - 320.87 - 15.82 - 129.99 - 742.51 - 82.61 - 305.60
Fuel & Edge EZ & W/I - 362.22 - 41.35 - 171.34 - 818.80 - 76.29 381.89

Too much info? Too hard to read?

I would have posted the chart, but thier printer was on it's last leg, and the quality is worse than my first one.
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02 Dodge 3500 5.9 Cummins, 3:54, 4x4, AFE Intake, US-Gear SD E-brake, PIF-EZ, PIF-Snow Performance W/M injection, Stage II fuel injectors

Will work for a hybrid turbo!
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Old 01-05-2004, 08:18 AM
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Hey Sticks, what kind of pump are you running and where did you get it? Are you running steel braided lines on the pressure side? You are running this with success, I'd like to here it from you. Super Diesel
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Old 01-05-2004, 02:08 PM
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I am running the Snow Performance Stage 1 kit for Diesels with a stage 2 variable controller. My pump tested at 140psi, and all the lines are plastic. I have had no problems with the plastic lines, and it survived winter.

I can't afford to have the truck sit on a Dyno all day to play around with the injector nozzles to do all the tuning at once, so I do a run during a Dyno Day, then make some adjustments then wait until the next event. I usually run a 25% mix of Methanol because I am looking for the EGT cooling more than the power, but I do want to have it set up for that 65 to 70 HP gain when I switch back to 50/50. I lost 20hp in expected gains between the larger fuel injectors and switching out the W/I nozzle, which could mean too much W/M or not enough air...bigger turbo time.[/url]
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02 Dodge 3500 5.9 Cummins, 3:54, 4x4, AFE Intake, US-Gear SD E-brake, PIF-EZ, PIF-Snow Performance W/M injection, Stage II fuel injectors

Will work for a hybrid turbo!
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Old 08-11-2004, 07:35 PM
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Could you supply the injection points and flow rates that you have had good luck with? Also, what injection points were not productive?
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