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zooyork155
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 Nitromethane from RC Car Fuel?
Is there any disadvantage to using RC Car Nitro fuels? Would the % of oil/lubricant in the fuels have any poor effects on a gasoline engine?
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| Wed Sep 22, 2004 2:03 pm |
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Richard L
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I am not sure of nitromethane fuel, it sounds very explosive to me. the top top top fuel dragster uses them. I think the fuel can run the engine alone without and air.
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| Tue Sep 28, 2004 8:10 pm |
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Richard L
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 Re: Nitromethane from RC Car Fuel?
zooyork155 wrote:Is there any disadvantage to using RC Car Nitro fuels? Would the % of oil/lubricant in the fuels have any poor effects on a gasoline engine?
Are you mixing the nitromethane with water or fuel?
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| Tue Dec 14, 2004 7:09 pm |
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Turbo Jacky
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 Re: Nitromethane from RC Car Fuel?
Richard L wrote:zooyork155 wrote:Is there any disadvantage to using RC Car Nitro fuels? Would the % of oil/lubricant in the fuels have any poor effects on a gasoline engine?
Are you mixing the nitromethane with water or fuel?
I have tested with 70% water and 30% nitromethane, the results where great  , next weeks we gonna test with more nitromethane, grtzzzzzz
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| Tue Dec 14, 2004 9:28 pm |
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Richard L
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I saw the a faxed dyno result from John, nearly 70 horses increase from 210, was it your car?
Unfortunately the picture as not clear since the fax print out didn't show the "no water" plot since it was in blue.
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| Tue Dec 14, 2004 9:43 pm |
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Turbo Jacky
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Richard L wrote:I saw the a faxed dyno result from John, nearly 70 horses increase from 210, was it your car?
Unfortunately the picture as not clear since the fax print out didn't show the "no water" plot since it was in blue.
No it wasnt my car, that was a Cosworth, it has 70 Hp and 150 Nm more with using my mix. The nex weeks we gonna test with 50/50.
I have a Seat Ibiza 1.8T, i am using a dual pump and dual nozzle and an cooler in the front ,
the power with using the nitromethane mix is 280Whp en 420 NM.
On the dyno my car takes in 4th gear 5.2 secs to the max, with using water with Nitromethane it takes 3.2 secs. I use 2 nozzles 0.5.
Maybe i see you at Birmingham, greetzzz Jack
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| Tue Dec 14, 2004 10:03 pm |
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Richard L
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I was talking to John about the pump seals standing up to the nitromethane, if you are making these crazy power, it is worth making the pump suitable for nitro-up to 50%.
The fax was in dutch and I can't read dutch.
What was your power before Nitromethane/water injection? Are you sure you want to go for 50/50? very explosive!!!
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| Tue Dec 14, 2004 10:52 pm |
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Turbo Jacky
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Richard L wrote:I was talking to John about the pump seals standing up to the nitromethane, if you are making these crazy power, it is worth making the pump suitable for nitro-up to 50%.
The fax was in dutch and I can't read dutch.
What was your power before Nitromethane/water injection? Are you sure you want to go for 50/50? very explosive!!!
Yes Richard we go testing the next weeks for 50/50, maybe 40/60, we take the Cosworth engine, if it blows than we thake another one.
My Seat had 230 Hp without WIS, first test on the Cosworth and than mine  ,grtzz
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| Tue Dec 14, 2004 11:37 pm |
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Richard L
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It must be late in Holland.
We will be there between 13th -16th, Hall 10, stand number 10324. There will be new products for the 2005.
30% Nitro give you a gain from 230 -280HP?  Nice
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| Wed Dec 15, 2004 12:30 am |
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Turbo Jacky
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Richard L wrote:It must be late in Holland.
We will be there between 13th -16th, Hall 10, stand number 10324. There will be new products for the 2005.
30% Nitro give you a gain from 230 -280HP? Nice 
Yes it does, and a 2 sec. faster power acceleration  ,grtz
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| Wed Dec 15, 2004 6:38 am |
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Richard L
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Do you have a dyno plot availabe to post here?
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| Wed Dec 15, 2004 8:49 pm |
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Turbo Jacky
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Richard L wrote:Do you have a dyno plot availabe to post here?
John has the dyno plots, i ask him tommorow to fax you one, private questions can you ask by pm, grtz
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| Wed Dec 15, 2004 9:44 pm |
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Richard L
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He faxed me one but the blue line doesn't come out so I can not see all the power lines.
I did ask John to email me all the plots but so far I have received nothing.
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| Wed Dec 15, 2004 10:33 pm |
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janis
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WAT vertel je me daar!! (sorry, had to type some Dutch).
I mean, beg your pardon!!
50HP more from that mixture?!
Is that the stuff with oil in it as well, for the 2-stroke engines?
How does that mix with the water at all?
Won't the oil clog the injectors?
I want it I want it I want it!!
Janis (Volvo V40 T4)
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| Thu Dec 16, 2004 8:18 am |
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Richard L
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Not sure the power increase is 100% due to the nitroM, it appears that the stock power was 230 and with the introduction of higher boost, water and nitroM, the power has risen to 280.
I have not heard of anyone else using this mixing before. It appears that it is a great way to get big power.
Have looked into making a pump suitable for that mixture.
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