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Richard L 03-01-2006 10:51 PM

At presesnt independly with WI. Just to test the unit with the WI injection on only and cross your figures that it is not blocked.

I will make provision for a WI flow sensor input. It will be so cool to trim the fuel according to the water flow rate, At present, you have a system1s - pehaps we just put in a flow sensor even it reads one flow rate? Things will be simplier when DDS3 is added so we can set up a window area to detect the correct water flow.etc.

Useful to have some MAF voltage so I can design-in the potentiometer adjustment range. I think anything from 3-4psi onwards will be fine - possible on fourth or fifth gear.

Are you referring to the second water injection filter?

Richard

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeWarner
Richard - that sounds brilliant. I take it you would wire the activation via a flow sensor?

I'll try and get that minimum AFM voltage trigger point for you, but the filter leak got worse so I have switched it off until I have a moment to sort that. I'll let you know the voltage as soon as I can.


Richard L 03-01-2006 10:53 PM

Excellent water injection pictures. Ensure you use plenty of loctite on the nut.

You must have a very good camera.

Richard


Quote:

Originally Posted by turblue
I'd like to share with you my Astra Turbo wi install.

In this pic, you can see the VXR intake pipe with a custom section from the intercooler containing the injector.
http://fileshare.turblue.com/water%2...n/DSCF0012.JPG

This pic is the custom section with the injector. The pipe diameter is 2 inch.
http://fileshare.turblue.com/water%2...n/DSCF0014.JPG

This pic shows how the injector is placed. It is milled to reduce restriction. It is placed to spray into the oncoming airflow.
http://fileshare.turblue.com/water%2...n/DSCF0060.JPG

I have not done a dyno run yet, so I can't indicate power levels. But I can tell you from the ECU logs I have collected that the system certainly drops the inlet temps.

37C outside temp.
60C inlet temp with no wi.
38C inlet temp with wi.

Here is a graph of the ECU log.
http://fileshare.turblue.com/water%2.../hot%20day.jpg

Cheers..!!!!


MikeWarner 03-01-2006 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard L
Are you referring to the second water injection filter?

No - I still haven't fitted it - it has been a bit hectic over xmas. I should have a chance to do this on Saturday.

Richard L 03-01-2006 11:46 PM

UPDATING:

1) Build into a box about 100mm x 50mm x 25mm
2) Upon switching on (manual switch) the MAF signal go through a number of modifications.
3) The "start trimming voltage" reaches a user preset voltage (~3-5V)
4) Once the voltage is reached, the MAF voltage will start slopping downwards (less upwards).
5) The "amount" of slope is user adjustable, limited to ~20%.
6) A 0-1V Bargraph display monitor the lambda value. (splice into the existing sensor). It is not perfect but you should see rich or lean.
7) An electronic level should be included to disable the "MAF trim" should lambda fall below a preset voltage - some where between 0.4-1.0v.
8) If the lambda falls below the preset level, it will turn off the Map trim.
9) System can be triggered by the 1s's manifold pressure switch
10) System also can be triggered by the a ground signal (opposite to 1s)


Richard L 04-01-2006 07:22 PM

Here is an attempt on a breadboard:



http://www.aquamist.co.uk/forum/gall...cb-index-s.jpg

MikeWarner 04-01-2006 07:28 PM

Richard - looks very impressive, but way over my head. I'll try and get those figures to you asap. Thanks. :)

Richard L 04-01-2006 07:48 PM

http://www.aquamist.co.uk/forum/gall...b-index-s2.jpg

It all started out as a simple MAF voltage output trimmer...

then

I thought it would be nice to see what the lambda voltage is doing at the same time....

then

Why not use the lambda voltage to put some safety control automatically. So when the lambda valve drop below a certain level (too lean), it stops trimming the MAF.

then...

Since I have a few some more processing power, why not make a mAP sensor clamp so that the ECU do not see extra boost dialled in.

then...

Making the system automatically switch in when water is being sprayed .

then.... so on

Richard

ashtal 05-01-2006 06:42 PM

Way over my head at the mo. But i really hope it works well. It certainly looks like you have put lots of time, effort and knowledge in to the bit of kit. nice one . :D

Richard L 05-01-2006 08:57 PM

When thing quieten down a bit herte, I will ask Mike to pay me another visit and get this unit installed.

If it works as it suppose to, I can offer this unit as a package with WI.

Richard

K3FUS 06-01-2006 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard L
When thing quieten down a bit herte, I will ask Mike to pay me another visit and get this unit installed.

If it works as it suppose to, I can offer this unit as a package with WI.

Richard

Sounds like a stupid question, but what will it do? My car is identical to Mike's and as you may remeber my WI is non operational at the moment until I deside what to do with it (still not sure about the intercooler spray).


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