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Maktech 10-03-2016 07:18 PM

Help please,HFS 4 V3 wiring diagram for E63 AMG
 
Hello ,

I am trying to mount HFS4 V3 kit to Mercedes E63 AMG biturbo ;
I could find a schema for CLS 63 amg,
They are almost same but some colour of some wires are different ,
I am worried about that ,
Does someone has any expreince about E63 amg (M157 engine) Biturbo ?

Richard L 10-03-2016 09:54 PM

Re: Help please,HFS 4 V3 wiring diagram for E63 AMG
 
Is your car a G63?
We have both diagrams.

Have you seen this one?

http://www.aquamist.co.uk/HFS4/wirin...v3-G63-AMG.gif

Maktech 10-03-2016 10:14 PM

Re: Help please,HFS 4 V3 wiring diagram for E63 AMG
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard L (Post 22249)
Is your car a G63?
We have both diagrams.

Have you seen this one?

Thanks but my car is E63 AMG biturbo , facelift one which has 585hp.

Richard L 10-03-2016 10:28 PM

Re: Help please,HFS 4 V3 wiring diagram for E63 AMG
 
CLS is 4.4L bi-turbo and G63. I don't haver a factory ECU diagram for the E63, sorry.

Does the UCU look the same? If it does, I can 99% sure you can use the same diagram as the G63 and CLS63. I think the ECU is a small variation of the MED17.7.2

Maktech 11-03-2016 12:43 AM

Re: Help please,HFS 4 V3 wiring diagram for E63 AMG
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard L (Post 22251)
CLS is 4.4L bi-turbo and G63. I don't haver a factory ECU diagram for the E63, sorry.

Does the UCU look the same? If it does, I can 99% sure you can use the same diagram as the G63 and CLS63. I think the ECU is a small variation of the MED17.7.2

CLS63 AMG has the same engine with E63 , they both have 5,5 V8 biturbo;
Yes the ecu looks like , I hope we won't brake down the ecu or the Aquamist 😊
Thank you for the answers.

Richard L 11-03-2016 12:54 AM

Re: Help please,HFS 4 V3 wiring diagram for E63 AMG
 
No, you will be safe either way.

Maktech 14-03-2016 01:55 PM

Re: Help please,HFS 4 V3 wiring diagram for E63 AMG
 
CLS 63's and G 63's ECUs are Med 17.7.2
but my cars (E63) MED 17.7.3
I think becouse of that my system doesn't work proberly ,
I need to find the exact schematic of the ECU ;

I'll be thankful if someone can find it for me 😇

Richard L 14-03-2016 06:19 PM

Re: Help please,HFS 4 V3 wiring diagram for E63 AMG
 
As far as I know. All you need to do is wire the red and green wire directly to the fuel injector. You can try the grey harness first. Let me the result.

Maktech 14-03-2016 08:55 PM

Re: Help please,HFS 4 V3 wiring diagram for E63 AMG
 
Thanks Richard ,
You mean , we only wire red and green wites to the fuel injector without using map sensor signal , right ?

The pump is working when I start the system with the buton on the gauge ,
I hear the sound of working pump but it doesn't inject any liquid , the pump only works. I don't know what triggers to work.

Richard L 14-03-2016 11:41 PM

Re: Help please,HFS 4 V3 wiring diagram for E63 AMG
 
Can you confirm the engine does not use direct fuel injectors.

Maktech 14-03-2016 11:56 PM

Re: Help please,HFS 4 V3 wiring diagram for E63 AMG
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard L (Post 22257)
Can you confirm the engine does not use direct fuel injectors.

I don't know how to confirm that.
If you know , could you describe me please ?

Richard L 15-03-2016 12:00 AM

Re: Help please,HFS 4 V3 wiring diagram for E63 AMG
 
I don't think it is.

Try use the red and green wire of the grey harness first.

Maktech 15-03-2016 02:16 PM

Re: Help please,HFS 4 V3 wiring diagram for E63 AMG
 
1 Attachment(s)
I'm sending the jumpers positions with the photo ,
Can you check them if they are correct...
The pump still works when we start the engine ,
doesn't pump any water , but we hear the sound of the pump.

Attachment 373

Richard L 15-03-2016 05:35 PM

Re: Help please,HFS 4 V3 wiring diagram for E63 AMG
 
The photo you sent is not easy to view. Can you take a better Hi-res pictuire? The entire circuit board please.

You wrote:
"When you mention the pump still work after your start the engine?"

What exactly.

do you mean by this?

Maktech 15-03-2016 05:40 PM

Re: Help please,HFS 4 V3 wiring diagram for E63 AMG
 
I mean , when the engine is at idle , Aquamist's pump working noisy ,
it is not injecting anything but it is working as if it will explode 😱😱😱

Maktech 15-03-2016 05:43 PM

Re: Help please,HFS 4 V3 wiring diagram for E63 AMG
 
Here are the jumpers

http://imageshack.com/a/img921/1388/dUYFz5.jpg

Richard L 15-03-2016 06:16 PM

Re: Help please,HFS 4 V3 wiring diagram for E63 AMG
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Maktech (Post 22263)
I mean , when the engine is at idle , Aquamist's pump working noisy ,
it is not injecting anything but it is working as if it will explode 😱😱😱

The pump should not come on when idling. Is this a brand new system?
I need a picture of the entire circuit board, you jet posted the same picture but bigger.

Maktech 15-03-2016 06:30 PM

Re: Help please,HFS 4 V3 wiring diagram for E63 AMG
 
Here is the photo of the circuit :

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/150...921/dvYhhT.jpg


Please watch the video for seeing the pump how is working at idle ,

http://youtu.be/SCX2m5un5S8

Richard L 15-03-2016 11:03 PM

Re: Help please,HFS 4 V3 wiring diagram for E63 AMG
 
The pump should not come on at idle.

Can you take a picture of the controller with all the cable plugged in. Again a hi-res picture please. Like to check your plugs.

Maktech 16-03-2016 11:56 AM

Re: Help please,HFS 4 V3 wiring diagram for E63 AMG
 
This is the controller

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/150...922/rJgR3S.jpg

Richard L 16-03-2016 12:16 PM

Re: Help please,HFS 4 V3 wiring diagram for E63 AMG
 
The connection is good.

So the water pump comes on when the engine idles?

Maktech 16-03-2016 12:34 PM

Re: Help please,HFS 4 V3 wiring diagram for E63 AMG
 
Back side of the controller unit

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/150...921/Vgr5y9.jpg

Maktech 16-03-2016 12:36 PM

Re: Help please,HFS 4 V3 wiring diagram for E63 AMG
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard L (Post 22269)
The connection is good.

So the water pump comes on when the engine idles?

Yes , exactly ...

The pump comes on when the engine idles.

The pump works with a big noise ( as in the video that i sent you yesterday )

Richard L 16-03-2016 12:54 PM

Re: Help please,HFS 4 V3 wiring diagram for E63 AMG
 
OK, let me try to solve this problem. Need your help.

Can you unplug the grey harness, tell me if the pump stops.

Maktech 16-03-2016 01:13 PM

Re: Help please,HFS 4 V3 wiring diagram for E63 AMG
 
I've unplugged the grey harness , the pump stopped but the system is off , too. There is no lamp on the controller unit and on the gauge.

Have I unpluged the right harness , see the photo please ?

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/150...922/KTZIKN.jpg

Richard L 16-03-2016 01:31 PM

Re: Help please,HFS 4 V3 wiring diagram for E63 AMG
 
This is good so far..

Tell me what wires are used on the grey connector and where are they connected to.

Maktech 16-03-2016 01:42 PM

Re: Help please,HFS 4 V3 wiring diagram for E63 AMG
 
We are only using the red wire on the grey connector as in the G63 's wiring diagram , if you see the wiring you will understand where is the red wire is connected.

http://imageshack.com/a/img924/7393/UXYBy6.gif

Richard L 16-03-2016 03:51 PM

Re: Help please,HFS 4 V3 wiring diagram for E63 AMG
 
OK, so only the red wire is connected.

Can you out the grey harness back on and pull out the green harness, let me know if the pump stops.
Can you see any led on the circuit board lights up with and without the green harness plugged in.

Maktech 16-03-2016 04:03 PM

Re: Help please,HFS 4 V3 wiring diagram for E63 AMG
 
When we pulled out the green harness , the pump working again.

When the green harness is plugged , there is a lamp lighting on the circuit ,
I recorded a video , you can see the lighting lamp.

http://youtu.be/91FcbH1JPvc

When the green harness is unplugged , there is no lamp lighting but the pump still comes on.

Richard L 16-03-2016 05:31 PM

Re: Help please,HFS 4 V3 wiring diagram for E63 AMG
 
You wrote:
"When we pulled out the green harness , the pump working again."

What does this mean?

Richard L 16-03-2016 05:33 PM

Re: Help please,HFS 4 V3 wiring diagram for E63 AMG
 
OK... we are getting closer

unplug the blue harness, does the pump stop?






can you unplug the blue ocmmen

Maktech 16-03-2016 05:36 PM

Re: Help please,HFS 4 V3 wiring diagram for E63 AMG
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard L (Post 22278)
You wrote:
"When we pulled out the green harness , the pump working again."

What does this mean?

When the green harness is disconnected , the pump comes on , there is no change ... I mean , we have the same result with and without the green harness.

Maktech 16-03-2016 05:41 PM

Re: Help please,HFS 4 V3 wiring diagram for E63 AMG
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard L (Post 22279)
OK... we are getting closer

unplug the blue harness, does the pump stop?

can you unplug the blue ocmmen

I unplugged the blue harness , the pump stops.

I don't know what "ocmmen" is

Richard L 16-03-2016 06:22 PM

Re: Help please,HFS 4 V3 wiring diagram for E63 AMG
 
OK, we have tracked down the area that caused the pump to continue pumping.

Do you have a digital voltmeter? The next test will require it. Please let me know.


Where did you see the word "ocmmen"?

Maktech 16-03-2016 06:27 PM

Re: Help please,HFS 4 V3 wiring diagram for E63 AMG
 
Yes , we have a digital voltmeter

Richard L 16-03-2016 06:37 PM

Re: Help please,HFS 4 V3 wiring diagram for E63 AMG
 
This is good.

Please measure the resistance between the red and blue wire of the RJ connector side of the blue harness.

Also tell me the order of the wire colour in the RJ connector.

Maktech 16-03-2016 06:49 PM

Re: Help please,HFS 4 V3 wiring diagram for E63 AMG
 
Sorry ,

I couldn't find the wires that you told me ;
Actually , I don't know what RJ connector is ��
Could you describe me or please send a photo or scheme

Richard L 16-03-2016 06:55 PM

Re: Help please,HFS 4 V3 wiring diagram for E63 AMG
 
When you unplug the blue harness from the controller, the plug is called RJ connector. There are four gold slots. YOu should see the wire colour behind it.

Meanwhile, can you give me some history of the system. Was it installed on other vehicles before? I can see there is some unsuitable colder link on the underside of the circuit board.

Richard L 16-03-2016 07:04 PM

Re: Help please,HFS 4 V3 wiring diagram for E63 AMG
 
This is a RJ connector, see the gold fingers between the plastic compartments?

http://www.aquamist.co.uk/forum/conn1.jpg

Maktech 16-03-2016 07:11 PM

Re: Help please,HFS 4 V3 wiring diagram for E63 AMG
 
The result is .080

I bought it from my friend , he said that the system is brand new.


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/150...921/xhOaJ1.jpg


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