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 So do you mean that if my current fuel/spark system allows me to run around 12.5a/r water will be more beneficial? I've tried 12-12.5 before, but got a lot of timing pull, I now run 11.5 it has little less timing pull, . So in this scenario is pure water more benificiary? Quote: 
	
 Conventional being higher than 12 afr? So basically even if I can ignite it and have higher than normal AFRs, w/m will still produce more HP vs pure water? Or would they have the same effect? I ask because I've seen two 1.8t produce power (without meth or water) on 93pump on a 1.8t @ around 13afr. Not sure how much timing pull. Dyno @ 13afr/93pump/25psi - Check the AFR ![]() Thread: http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?4065844 Last edited by ricekikr; 04-01-2011 at 05:46 AM.  | 
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